Very clearly, a growing activist community wants to eliminate these standards, favoring total decriminalization not just of fare evasion, but of unlicensed vending, panhandling on trains, public urination, pot smoking, radio playing, etc. To you and others, it seems to be narrowly econometric efficiency and my experience is that it is anathema to passenger experience or satisfaction, and not least to the ease and functionality of transit in a big city. However, again one should compare the compact arrangement of Ile de France versus what happens with Japan & Tokyos laissez-faire development policies. I would wholly recommend BSB Solicitors for anyone looking for help with fare evasion cases. How is this intuitive at all? WebAppearance, the Court will schedule a Settlement Conference to occur within ninety (90) days of the filing of the Notice of Limited Appearance. In any case, it should be clear that both Paris and Tokyo could be much more compact than they currently are. I guess it helps that many German cities do have tram systems where it is impossible to build these barriers common elsewhere without making people cross the tracks instead. The consequence is that pretty much everyone using the system during peak hours has a pass. The pricing in Singapore isnt particularly complex nowadays. https://pedestrianobservations.com/2019/07/18/free-public-transportation/#comment-61991. 2) Casual 4) If I do it, do I THINK Im likely to get caught?, The more yes answers they reach, the LESS LIKELY they are to do it. Non-car owners would be able to buy an annual pass. I have had the privilege of working with then,true professionals, who has used alltheir knowledge and effort, to reach the best possible solution for me, in record time. In his acclaimed book on the creation of modern Australia, Fatal Shore, Robert Hughes noted that this nation was founded as a dumping ground for criminals whom the motherland ejected nevertheless rapidly turned into one of the most law-abiding nations on earth. That doesnt pay for itself. And the metro did develop from a tram system as was once planned for the heavier Stadtbahns. One might say that of course they would say that. This split also had an effect on the policing of fare evasion, as checks used to be a LOT rarer on the S-Bahn than the U-Bahn or tram, and in my experience the inspectors also tended to be more lenient, letting people off with a warning if they had a passable excuse, which would never happen with the BVG inspectors. And the operators are normally satisfied. Like the time an older African-American woman got pissed off about younger African-American woman having a White boyfriend and decide to take it out on me, subjecting me to big rant on why African-American women can only really be sexually pleased by African-American men while hitting me with a plastic bottle. This should tell you what happens when the rich west adopts that system. Its telling that the NYC MTA police response is on subways and not on LIRR or Metro North, where you can evade a $20 fare. I would recommend them to anyone facing a similar situation. Wow, I had no idea a Japanese city could have so much car dependent sprawl! They were extremely professional and helpful. Typical nit-picking scrooges.) Intuitively most of the induced extra trips, in a monthly fee, rather than pay per usage system, will be very short trips, that are easily substituted by walking or biking. Fares are integrated between buses and trains (which is more than I can say for, say, London), and theres a schedule for fare by distance. In any case, major capital investment will always involve the government, but that is largely irrelevant for questions about using existing infrastructure efficiently. Also known as GTR majority owned by the Go Ahead group it ferries commuters from across the south coast into London Bridge and Victoria. Unlicensed vending is fine, I dont have a problem with the churro venders of New York. This is less of an issue on Commuter systems where its mostly the trains that get crush loaded, but revenue protection is even more important for them as fare levels are higher. throw pav at, but I was very modestly paid except having excellent medical, and benefits like the travel card and lunch vouchers tooagain, one paid 50% of face value which was typically the price of the Menu du Jour; most regular working Parisians use these for their lunch, and they are even valid at boulangeries for sandwiches etc (but you dont get any change if you dont spend up to the face value of the coupon). Yes. Partly for simplicity but also for social-justice: zoning can make it very expensive the further out you live and yet these are the very people the city most wants to give up their car habits! i.e. A 1-day Travelcard (zones 1-4) is 13.10 (14.67) (off-peak). I hired BSB firm to represent me in a TfL fare case in October 2018. Again, pure nonsense. Throughout the process there was great communication between us and a week or so later, he informed me I was able to settle out of court with no criminal conviction., I cannot stress enough how good BSB Solicitors have been. Susan Lenne, Clovelly, NSW. The absolute level is a fraction of the USs, but the overrepresentation of certain racial minorities manages to be somewhat worse than in the US. (LogOut/ At 20 km the single fare is $1.78 and the breakeven point is 68, which means the monthly might as well not exist. The economic-rationalist argument is that this competition will force all players, especially those wickedly inefficient state bodies, to improve their customer service focus (just listen to Jean-Pierre Farandous statement on attaining the new job: pure management speak while covertly threatening the unions). However, what Ive encountered more resistance about is the idea that people should just be able to walk onto a bus or train. 2019) (applying abuse-of-discretion standard to review the denial of a motion to amend to add a claim for punitive damages), review denied (Minn. Mar. They claim such abuse could be costing the government hundreds of million in long term. The consequences for me as regards my right to work in the UK were extremely high, and so this situation was cause for lots of stress. Naturally there is no algorithm or magic cost-accountancy software that can calculate those costs and benefits. I already contacted various solicitors over the weekend, and hope to hear from them soon enough. have been recorded, including against people with mental disability trying to validate their ticket with their disability discount count, with fare inspector questioning authenticity of the disabled passengers proof of disability, and MTR have defended these actions by saying they are allowed to use reasonable violence against those who suspected to have violated their bylaw. With the Paris flat-fare system and immense freedom of Carte Orange, and of course that in almost every single aspect the system outperformed LU and was cheaper. If occasional riders have to read a massive chart to figure out what theyre supposed to pay they probably just wont pay it at all. what does silent notifications mean; why is there a shortage of paper towels again? But the government still think this is a severe problem to the government budget, and is now proposing the adaption of a new ID-based system for the elderly discount, requiring elderly across the city obtain a new transit card with their name and photo printed onto it, and show the photo to drivers or ticket validators whenever they want to ride public transit, so as to avoid such sort of abuse. I concur, and Ive used London, NYC, HK, Tokyo, Shanghai, Moscow, Beijing amongst mega-city metro systems. It may be possible to have some legal advice without charge. Also because as long as you are not going to the big London Stations once you get in to the evenings and weekends there is a big chance those stations gates will be open as they become unstaffed. Americans who support immigration liberalization practically never listen when I try bringing up the liberal work visa, asylum, and naturalization policies of Germany or Sweden. Wedged in overcrowded carriages, fellow passengers suffer panic attacks. In particular off-peak travel could be way cheaper with price differentiation, and would definitely have a progressive social impact. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. *Except in the actual immigrant nations of USA, Canada and Australia where crime rates are lower in immigrants! Unsurprisingly, the UK train system is privatised, no doubt this accounts for these exorbitant prices. And it shows little sign of improving. Sendai for instance is very much concrete before electronics/operations. (slightly out of date; too lazy to update): I discussed the situation initially over the phoneand then met at the BSB office in Central London. Its a valid debate to have and a valid stance to have. Also, it was valid on everything 24/7 (I understand the rough equivalent pass in London isnt actually valid for weekend use! Webboston college early decision acceptance rate 2025. A better method is to ensure most passengers have prepaid already, by offering generous monthly discounts. Today I interpret monthly passes a kind of rent-seeking among one group of transit users, who want other people to pay the cost for their transit use. Instead, they create huge unnecessary demand by making the marginal cost of a trip 0, that often just replace a walk or a bike trip, in a system that did not encourage you to not pay the cost for each journey you make. The #1 cause of escalator failure is human waste. Question is not whether, its by how much. But speaking of this year begins the process of contracting out some RER lines to private management, seemingly driven by right-winger Valerie Pecresse. DMU branch lines as political patronage are a waste! Locked (England) Hi, I got a fare evasion summoning me to court, and Id like to know if theres a possible out of court Boston, too, has its moral panic about fare evasion, in the form of campaigns like the Keolis Ring of Steel on commuter rail or Fare is Fair. By the same token, the issue of fare evasion should be viewed from the lens of revenue loss, rather than that of crime and disorder. I do note that East Asian cities with nearly universal transit use, have very complex pricing that does not seem to bother anyone there. The question boils down to how New York crowding levels compare with those on the busiest urban POP line, the Munich S-Bahn trunk. Exactly. Hello there and thank you for choosing to use our service. We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the Revenue enforcement and prosecutions policy. Come on that reeks that of condescension to the poor. Fares arent the only source of revenue for the MTA; the system also earns money from tolls, taxes, government subsidies, and advertisements. Stuff you dont have time for during the working week etc. monthly passes is that be encouraging heavy rather than occasional (mixed with biking and walking) use of transit, it encourages large geographical sprawl. Yeah, but dont confuse yourself or others. I guess the numbers on Wikipedia are old, but according to its list, neither BVG nor MVV break even on fares. Which makes cheating extremely easy. eg. The total cost of the new patrol program is $56 million in the first year, escalating by 8% annually thanks to a pre-agreed pay hike scale. This is true for all of the major world cities and there encouraging efficiency is vital. Likewise, even though the Helsinki Metro is profitable, it works in conjunction with buses, trams, and commuter trains that are not, its just that theres an imputation of revenues by mode/operator offered in Helsinki and (sort of) Berlin but not in Paris. I find it quite plausible that ordinary people actually find fairness in pricing according to cost very attractive and well fair. The system is a horrible mess seemingly designed to trap one into expense unless you choose conditions that are no ones first choice. It is advisable to seek the representation of a solicitor in this situation. Get the Niigata/Sendai/Morioka/Aomori/Akita/Matsuyama right before complaining about the Senboku/Daigo/Iiiyama places where nobody lives and a railway which is a high-capacity system is increasingly a poor fit. Your request has been considered in For commutes, especially the suburban crowd, transit is essentially free as to user, as its paid for by the employer, and the income is untaxed by the government. Our recent trunk bus lines have open boarding and both Helsinki and Espoo have indicated to the regional authority that they want more open boarding. Thanks, BSB Solicitors. The mass transit (light rail) system is run by one agency, and the bus system(s) are run by others. (Both also have the worst inequality amongst the developed world so they need to cater to the low-SES workers.) And it does an appalling job. It certainly helps the use of the Metro/RER, keeps car use low (you need to be slightly insane to try to drive in Paris; I did for the first year . It might be seen as a less pressing issue when most of your systems income come from taxes (its certainly not in low subsidy systems) but is still important. N.A (April 2017), Stay up to date with Criminal Law with BSB Solicitors, BSB solicitors, 2 John Street, Fare evasion is a criminal offenceand you may be prosecuted. In such cities monthly passes do barely exist, and cities aim for a fair and efficient pricing system. Why should systems like the Washington Metro spend money to tear down their faregates and adopt Proof of payment, spending money to make it easier to avoid paying the fare? Using another persons ticket (Student Oyster Card, Freedom Pass or another type of discounted travel card), Passing through the ticket barriers without paying, Travelling further than your ticket allows you to, Travelling in a first-class carriage, when only purchasing a standard ticket. though my excuse was I was working out in the suburbs; at the end of my first year the M7 extension reached Villejujif, and simultaneously my old car was vandalised and also gave up the ghost) and helps the economics of those tens of thousands of modest restos etc. No matter how small, Martin do you really want to contribute to such sentiment? My Friday train is always half as empty as any other day. This is a very good example of how *not* to do things. WebFare evasion from tfl which led to a court summoning. In the urban German-speaking world, everyone with a valid fare can walk onto a bus, tram, or train without crossing fare barriers or having to pay a driver. Thoroughly recommend! Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. There are very good reason why such pricing structures are extremely uncommon in other parts of society. 2) BART has had teen-gang problems, where a dozen kids hop the fare gates, rob/assault the passengers, and leave en-mass at the next stop over the gates before any law enforcement appears. Anyway, youre getting stuck in the weeds and one would almost think that is some kind of distracting argument away from the main game: affordable and equitable transit. I wasimmediately madeto feel at ease at our first meeting and they always provided very clear instructions and advice throughout our email communications. With an electronic payment system, you can have pretty non-interfering gates (which also makes it possible to charge per distance), they can be largely symbolic (just a tower you push your card against). If this is the case, follow the instructions carefully. So Caltrain is transitioning the GoPass to require tagging on and off (Caltrain uses ~12.5-mile fixed fare zones as a super chunky proxy for more equitable true distance-based fares) which will for the first time yield a cornucopia of data about GoPass use (station pairs, time of day, day of week, how often and by which employees of which program participants, etc.). Ill admit my attitude is very conditioned by direct experience. I would respond to them with a decent letter apologising and At the moment that the rail industry is having a long drawn out argument on the best way forward as everyone can see the season ticket is dying but the political cost of getting rid of it is too high, so some form of fudge will be needed. Southern is a story of rail failure. The cost burden of commuting is unevenly and unethically distributed amongst the beneficiaries of this utility. My other point is that Monthly or Annual Travel Passes are increasingly old news in the UK as Pay as you go with far capping is more popular, and also because 5 days a week commuting is on the decline. WebFare Evasion Solicitors Transport For London (TFL) has an aggressive prosecution policy when it comes to Fare Evasion. This is how the Taipei busses work for example. Is France really going to repeat this nonsense? (I did turnstile-jump in Paris once, with a valid transfer ticket that the turnstile rejected, I think because Pariss turnstile and magnetic ticket technology is antediluvian.) The public transport system provides a certain level of constant service and a monthly pass is a right to use this service. I dont think that pass existed until recently. But Paris: [Wiki, 2017] There are likely to be cultural differences, so it is possible that in most American cities, it makes sense to have some POP officials. (LogOut/ The upshot is that successful policies regarding fare collection in (for example) Germany are obscure in the United States even more than policies regarding wonkier transportation issues like train frequency. In New York City, a spate of attention has come recently to policing Americas largest transit system. More recently, it trialed a new turnstile design that would hit passengers in the face, but thankfully scrapped it after public outcry. Per Cuomos office, fare evasion costs $240 million a year on the subway and buses, about 5% of total revenue. The solicitor who took on my case took a statement, we spoke about mysituation in depth. Thats a significant consideration for regions with large income disparities. I know that Korea manages to make all of this work at low cost, but elsewhere in Asia, those sprawling, palatial stations with many exits get really expensive. Anyway: the breakeven point for a zone 1-3 ticket is 48: the monthly is 158.30 with a travelcard, the peak single fare is 3.30. In lieu of treating it as a big intra-urban culture war, I am going to talk about best practices from the perspective of limiting revenue loss to a minimum. I agree with the first letter writer. This report is by a NGO so almost zero chance of anything like it being adopted by a conservative government. Its also easier to go mob handed on inspections at busy Metro stations in the city, but on a commuter train 40 minutes out in the suburbs, its easier if you filtered out the fare cheats from the busier stations rather than some lone inspector trying to do it. with modern technology varying fares dynamically by distance is very straightforward (with 1990s technology) and westerners would adapt very quickly. The advice I received was always well thought through and was communicated promptly at every point. The British and American approach is to make it hard to break the law, even at the cost of making it hard to follow it.
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