But Tilly and the nervous mess Adira has devolved into? He has been part of the Litverse writers room run by Pocket Books and knows not only Beyers works but the books written by others in great detail, and across all eras. ..I have a total girl crush. DSC has a wonderful cast and a neat diverse set of characters. Hopefully its . Why do you think being nervous or anxious means that you can not graduate from the academy? Actually, the production team is not helping either. He also has emotional intelligence. Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! When a show blankets the airwaves with hugs and confessionals and cheering it tends to make any subtler moments stand out far less, but this is also not a subtle show to begin with. But one could argue a ship full of Barclays is not the most convincing portrait of humanity. Xanadu? She makes it all look so easy. Jake is about 45-50 and one of the two lead characters. To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. Its intolerance in its most basic form, and anyone who engages in, advocates for, or turns a blind eye and deaf ear to it are examples of the worst humanity has to offer, and most certainly have no business calling themselves a Star Trek fan. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. Exactly. Its not SMGs fault of course, its just the way she has be written throughout the series. David Ajala: Yeah, absolutely. It is not yet known what role, if any, Wisemans Tilly would have in the upcoming season, with possibilities ranging from guest or recurring character to becoming a series regular again. [1] Early life [ edit] Wiseman is the youngest daughter of Dorothy and Kevin Wiseman and has three older brothers. You either think about what you can contribute to society or how society owes you handouts, respect for above-mentioned bad habits, fictitious pronouns even. Eh, only in some particular parts of the internet. Star Trek: Discovery streams exclusively on CBS All Access in the United States and is distributed concurrently by CBS Studios . Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). No, from Starfleets POV its 3 years. Even though he is one of the worst characters in Trek, he was the main focus in arguably the best episode of Voyager: Timeless. I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. At the end of season three, I felt that she became captain not because she had earned it, but because the time had run out on the series plan for her promotion. Learning? The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. Paradise was most likely referring to the shows production and creative teams. Neither were annoying. Im sorry if the idea of someone not like Discovery upsets you, but its unreasonable to expect people to change their minds for that reason. The increasingly repeated notion that Discovery has saved the Trek franchise with emotion and humanity is dubious revisionist history. [laughs] Everybody loves Tilly. Its shall we say very variable. None of those thinks make a lick of sense. Definitely not a dig at the actress, she is only delivering what the directors and producers have asked her to deliver. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. Weight Gain Explained Rumors are going on that Mary Wiseman is pregnant and she has gained weight. The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. By: TrekMovie.com Staff So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. I like Tilly but shes not my favourite character. I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. Shes changed. Tilly, played by Mary Wiseman on Star Trek Discovery is not pregnant. I realize there are people who like his quirks. To be honest I think she is more attractive than the mostly skinny cast of most series. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. Thank you for your counter opinion. It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. (Hey, Im likely one of the oldest people here, and its too easy/lazy to remain stuck in the 1960s and 70s! I think Saru holds out as being the most consistent, and Tilly is close, but not quite. advantage. I see other people mentioning the books on Reddit and Youtube because of the new show obviously. The audience is growing due to our amazing loyalty, but I give them credit toobecause Discovery, we have all these new shows. I guess making Tilly first officer isnt anywhere close to ridiculous as making KT Kirk a Captain who was still a cadet and had probably spent 2 weeks in space before he got the jobbut its pretty damn close. Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. That could be it. Paramount+'s Star Trek: Discovery is the flagship of the modern-day Star Trek television franchise, premiering in 2017 and about to launch its fourth season on November 18. Have to completely agree you T2. No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. That could explain the weight gain. Where are they!? And Id add she has a hero complex too always wants to save the day/galaxy/whathaveyou. I think that she is one of the go-to people when there is hard science stuff to crack. Thats a crumpet I want to butter. [laughter], David Ajala as Book and Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael in episode 401 Kobayashi Maru. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. Picard is the third Kurtzman Production. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? With Discovery now firmly planted in the distant future, Paradise notes the importance of ensuring that that show remains connected to the larger Star Trek universe through well-placed references . In fact, thats all the Discovery crew is qualified as in the 32nd century. I agree with you on principle as far at this being fine on a fictional Star Trek show. My personal opinion is, if you see ribs in their low decolletage, they are probably not so healthy. out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform. IMHO, if she usually eats well, trains and commits to staying healthy, then life can be a lot of fun leading an active adventurous life while still enjoying food and fine dining and it is irrelevant what people say about her looks. Neither she nor anyone else with common sense is celebrating obesity. Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. Keep up with all the news and reviews from the newStar Trek Universe on TV at TrekMovie.com. Thats the thing about DSC. I keep reading that no character like hers should not be in starfleet, yet she is. Everyone has their gifts. Acceptance? David, has Michael becoming captain changed Books relationship with her? When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. Remember , they had steroids and thyroid problems in the 80's, but the majority of people were off normal weight, which today would be called skinny. And doesnt that just make the point about the difference between fitness and apparent chunkiness or curveyness. Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. That promise was fulfilled in last weeks season finale, and Wiseman is talking about her return. It was EXACTLY what I needed while mourning my own mother. As long as the stories remain laser-focused on the *people* their *relationships* and the *emotions* generated therein, instead of ships, gadgets, and effects, well be fine. Has Tilly body-shaming outside of the Twitter imbeciles been a thing? 108 comments so far. I highly doubt the writers decided to just write her off for the hell of it (especially given how much everyone in the cast and crew love her). The burden is now on SNWThat show can either make or break it with regards to these issues. I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. And thats a healthy outlook. I am a therapist in real life, and even *I* think it was crazy that they had a therapist on the bridge. I keep reading she shouldnt be in Starfleet because she is socially and emotionally immature. I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. And second of all, just to dig into it, you dont always get to see a woman like me in that sort of position. You can start with those or the later books in the Time to sequence without significant confusion. Because Book is someone who doesnt just have cerebral, intellectual intelligence. I think theres room for it. Like her prime universe counterpart, Tilly was portrayed by Mary Wiseman.. Tilly was presumably killed when the Discovery was destroyed in the prime universe.. Apocrypha. Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. I keep hearing the word heartthats the poorest excuse yet. She is best known for starring as Sylvia Tilly in the Paramount+ science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery (2017-present). We want people to get their facts from reliable health sources, not celebrities, so saying actors should be sending some sort of fitness message is just backwards. It has also been speculated that Wiseman may be moving over to the proposed Starfleet Academy show openly discussed by Alex Kurtzman and Paramount+ execs but not yet officially ordered as a series. The mirror Tilly and the ISS Discovery appear in the "Mirror of Discovery" storyline in Star Trek Online, as part of the game's 9th anniversary in January 2019; she is voiced by Mary Wiseman, who also . Im not surprised people making mean comments, some people will find whatever they can that they know will upset everyone and say it. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? Fans need to stop being rude and act like gentlemen for once. Sisko on the other hand. You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. Find more stories on theStar Trek Universe. Shes only competent because of her character shield, shes mentally and emotionally immature, out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform, and would barely survive in a high school, let alone in any capacity at an actual Starfleet. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. I think the ship can handle a little chonk. The actress also discussed how Killy inspires some fans: Killy is somebody whos very important to a lot of fans, especially my curvy women out there who like to see another full-figured, fat, curvy, chunky woman get to feel powerful and use that size to command authority, said Wiseman. They basically wrote her off the show! So. It makes it quite American centric. Im sorry youve had to experience that and I strongly urge you to take what comfort you can from whatever source you can, regardless of how other people feel about that source. She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. If I was a public figure I would do zero social media, ignore the internet, cash my massive paychecks, sign autographs for real in-person fans I meet, and be so thankful Im not working in a grunt job making minimum wage. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. And I just really love having Janeway back. And, yeah, I've also heard a rumor about a potential Starfleet Academy series, and I'm assuming it's being set in the future setting of Discovery. Internationally, the series is available on Paramount+ in Australia, Latin America and the Nordics, and on Pluto TV in Austria, France, Germany . Mary Wiseman: We dont have that many scenes together but theres a lot of tension between us just as actors and personalities. I like her personality though, mostly. There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. None of us are and its okay. I think the CW has been using something like this for years. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Do I want to be Sisko or Picard or Archer then most likely yes. MS Wiseman owns the sadistic Bitch Capt Killy like she does Tilly. All are Trek! American actress Mary Wiseman payed several smaller roles in the past but recently gained a big recognition as Cadet Sylvia Tilly in new iteration of Star Trek franchise called Star trek: Discovery. Great interview, Dawn. We have both Mary Wiseman and Sonequa Martin-Green talking about body issues, Kate Mulgrew jumping in too, and some more behind-the-scenes photos. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. The Tilly we saw as Earth, check that United (eyeroll) Earth was being evacuated is NOT the same Tilly we saw for the previous 40+ episodes. And I felt that was ridiculous. Maybe not but what are your thoughts? Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. And CBS posted some images of Emperor Georgious quarters on the ISS Discovery. | November 13, 2021 | And how and how would your abilities be used in the Mirror Universe? Like maybe he would be way too codependent or something? Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. I like me. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. . Obligatory mention of the stupid turbolifts and how dumb they are. Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? Being encouraged to eat only what ones body needs is another thing entirely. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. Where I live people compete on the merits. Perhaps they had a second or third language that they use regularly. But then again Im not a troll. I mean, it was just so fun! Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). Whereas Tilly is an oh shes just like me and validates all my insecurities so its ok to be as I am. (laughs). What accent? Mary Wiseman is a good actress but even with that, if Star Trek Discovery was shot in 80s or 90s producers would probably force her to go on a diet or even fire her. Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. No one of my Trekkie friends, growing up with TNG watch this anymore. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. But to play the Devils Advocate here for a moment Tilly as she was originally presented and continued to be for quite some time is not something most women would aspire to be I should think. Way too many issues. Good for Mary! That is definitely not a true statement. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. And others opinions dont factor in. This post (handouts bad habits yada yada yada) is your latest misogny, homophobia and white supremacy , and I am sick and tired of it. However, Tilly's rise to Lieutenant in Thursday's episode of Star Trek: Discovery did not invoke feelings of joy. I define me. Before we move on to SuKal this Thursday, there are still some bits to catch up on from the Terra Firma arc of Star Trek: Discovery. And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. Sonequa is a great actress. Mary Wiseman as Tilly in episode 402, Anomaly. That is assuming the this Starfleet Academy show is set in the 32nd century. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). I gave this dumpster fire of far left propaganda 4 seasons. Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently.